Ep. 5: “Mom, dad - get off your phone!” How we’re (actually) dealing with digital distractions
Below you will find the show notes for “Episode 5” of the Communification Podcast. Mahalo for listening! Welcome to the ohana!
This episode is centered on “parental phubbing” - when parents phub (phone + snub) their children. A couple of my besties(Kaimana Brummel & Elizabeth Sage) join me on the pod to share our struggles, our triumphs, and discuss how we plan to implement the research-based strategies we learned from Dr. Soo Yun Shin.
Main takeaways
You are not alone. We commiserate on trying to integrate technology into our lives in a healthy way.
The pandemic has made it even harder - and yet technology has also helped us get through the pandemic without going crazy.
Learning and adapting to the world our children are growing up in.
How recovering perfectionists can use “bumpers” to help guide us.
What 5-year-old Waipuna said about parental phubbing that made us all tear up.
Time codes
[00:05:03] The struggle is real… we’re comforted to know we aren’t alone
[00:06:28] Extroverted extroverts looking for connection during a pandemic
[00:08:17] Work, play, school - all on devices. Everyone was phubbing everyone!
[00:10:32] Integration, intention, and “bumpers”
[00:14:05] Do we raise our children with the values and world we grew up in, or do we adjust?
[00:16:54] Malika’s children, Waipuna and Jackson, share their thoughts about how parental phubbing makes them feel
[00:19:32] We will never be the “perfect” parents - just have grace, and try your best
[00:22:11] Why modeling the right behavior is so important
[00:22:34] Will our children be better digital citizens than we are?
[00:26:32] The kinds of strategies we use in our own homes
Elizabeth Sage bio
Elizabeth Sage is an award-winning event strategist. She received her journalism degree from the University of Nevada and her MBA from the University of Illinois, she’s worked in the event industry for nearly two decades and currently is an experience design strategist at Maritz Global Events. Liz is one of my oldest friends we met in Hilo when I was three… she has two daughters and in her free time you can find her in the Think Tank Happy Hour on Clubhouse discussing human connection in the experience economy.
Kaimana Brummel bio
Kaimana Brummel received her degree from The George Washington University, did her graduate studies at the University of Hawaii at Manoa and is the Director of Advancement at Seabury Hall. She was recently recognized by Pacific Business News as an outstanding young business professional in their 40 under 40 list, and was part of the first class of keiki at Punana Leo O Maui Hawaiian Language Immersion Preschool. Hawaiian language and culture have guided Kaimana throughout her life. She is a Maui mama of two, like me, in fact she lives right down the street. We love to go on social distanced walks to catch up but it was fun to do something a little different today.
Link to turning your phone black and white:
Gray Scale and Smart Phone Addiction
Episode 5:
”Mom, dad - get off your phone!” How we’re (actually) dealing with digital distractions
Malika:
Hi, ladies!
Elizabeth & Kaimana:
Hi there!
Malika:
Oh, my gosh, the struggle is real. And that was a lot of information. So I thought we’d just dive right in. Maybe Liz, you can go first and then Kaimana, you can chime in? And we’ll just take it from there.
The struggle is real… we’re comforted to know we aren’t alone
Elizabeth:
Sure. Absolutely. Yeah, there was there was a lot to digest. And I recognized a lot of my own habits in some of what she was talking about, of course, I also felt like I was kind of on the right track based on some of those takeaways and things that we can work on, as we’re trying not to do some parental phubbing with our children. But I really appreciated all the tips she had.
To be perfectly honest, it made me feel less alone as a parent, it made me feel maybe a little bit less guilty that I’m not the only parent that is doing this.
And the struggle, as you said is real. And all of us are out there struggling right now.
Kaimana:
Yeah, I really appreciated having a word to this experience, trying to be a more conscious parent, looking at my behavior, and seeing it and so many other people, or knowing that other people are going through it, like Liz, that was very comforting. And I really appreciate at the end that Dr. Shin was giving suggestions in a non-judgmental way.
Malika:
I appreciated that as well. I think we can maybe dive right into our struggles. So I’m not going to go first. I actually have my children recorded and it’s pretty damning. So why don’t we start with one of you… who wants to go first? Tell us the struggle… what is it that you struggle with and why with parental phubbing?
Extroverted extroverts looking for connection during a pandemic
Elizabeth:
I don’t mind taking that first. So especially the last year you know, I am an extroverted extrovert. I fill my bucket by connecting with people and that has been stripped away from me, and all of us really, right for the last year and so I have really relied on media, texting, my Marco Polo video messages, Snapchat whatever I can to connect with my friends with a community to just, you know, fill that extrovert bucket. So as a result, I’m definitely on my phone more especially in front of my children as they’re all home with me. At this time, I have two elementary school aged girls ages seven and nine. And they see me just kind of phone in my face all the time.
Additionally, all of my recipes, I like to cook a lot, all of my recipes are pretty much on my phone. And so I even have my phone up to just do basic tasks like that constantly. And it really is a challenge to kind of explained to my children and differentiate what I’m doing on my phone at any given time, because all they see is this thing in front of my face or in my hand.
And there are definitely moments where my kids will tell me, “Mom, just put your phone down,” and I listen. I mean, kids are really the best mirror to who we are as people and what we’re doing.
Malika:
That’s so true. And when we just ask them, you know, ask them how they feel about it. It’s so interesting what comes out of their mouth? How about you Kaimana, what’s the struggle for you?
Work, play, school… all on devices. Everyone was phubbing everyone!
Kaimana:
The struggle for me was I felt like my whole family, we were kind of phubbing each other because my kids were on devices a lot, especially early in the pandemic when I needed them to be occupied, so I could get some work done when I was working from home. Now that I’m working more outside of the home, and they’re able to go to school a little bit more, you know, I’m okay with them being on their own devices.
But I start to get really anxious when they’re on it. But I realized that that’s just a mirror for my own use that I get anxious or disappointed or hard on myself when I’m always on my phone. And so I try to model the behavior, but it comes out in really unproductive ways.
That doesn’t seem very, I don’t want to say strategic, and I’m inconsistent like Dr. Shin said. I hate the word rules, not rules, but like parameters, or I don’t know, maybe we need more rules. I’m kind of a rules person, but it was hard to hear about my own behaviors. I’ll just say that and, and not feel disappointed and just know that we’re all going through it and that there is a way to get better.
Malika:
Yes, that’s a really good point that we’re all not lost causes. And also, you know, talking about the Coronavirus, it is really important to recognize that we all got thrust into the situation. And just as social media and media has been ramping up over the last few years and we’re trying to navigate this we all had to navigate through the Coronavirus. So it’s a really good point to talk about giving yourself grace. For those times when we’re just on autopilot – it just kind of happened. It just happened that now everything is on my devices, my work, my play, school, everything.
Elizabeth:
Yeah, I think about that a lot that wow, if this were the pandemic in 1918, how miserable would I be? I mean, I also, you know, have that gratitude for having this this little device, a six inch device that can still keep me connected and in touch with the rest of the world. So there’s there’s that sort of silver lining to it as well. At least we do have that - it’s just finding the balance at the end of the day.
Malika:
Definitely.It’s so nuanced.
Integration, intention, and “bumpers”
Kaimana:
Or maybe the integration, I struggle with balance, because then it feels like I’m striving for this equilibrium. But maybe if we can think about how do we integrate technology or the use of a device into our life in a healthy way that works for us and works for our kids, if we’re talking about specifically being our own children.
Elizabeth:
I love that Kaimana. It’s integration and intention, I think, are the words that are coming to mind. So it’s integrating it in an intentional way. Maybe shifting it… I know, I’m starting to solutionize already. But shifting it into a way right where we can we can let it be a positive enhancement to our life rather than a time suck or drain?
Malika:
Absolutely, I tend to think that it all starts with our values. So it’s really a matter of identifying what your values are, identifying what it is that you need to do. So there’s those non-negotiables, whether it’s work, maybe it’s connecting, that “me” time - and then having discussions with the people that matter. So maybe that’s first your partner or spouse or whoever it is that’s in your household, that’s an adult, to talk through, “Okay, well, what do we want to use our phones for? And why and when”… kind of figure out what are those rules and parameters, but also then integrate the children and have them be a part of that process. And you hear this a lot at school, right? I mean, how many of our kids, their teachers have them all create the rules for the classroom together. Right? And there’s research behind this that says that kids will stick to rules that they were a part of in creating, they’ll stick to them better than a rule that we put upon them. And I think that’s a really important part of it, too.
Elizabeth:
Yeah, I think we keep saying “rules,” but I think about “bumpers.” So I have this visual in my head of like when you go to a bowling alley, right, and you have the bumpers in the lane. So it still gives you a bit of a runway and some kind of back and forth room, but you’re staying on track. For the most part.
I think that feels really comfortable for me thinking about what I’d want to discuss with my kids instead of kind of laying down the hammer and saying hard and fast rules. Because also in all fairness, that means I need to follow them too - and to your point Malika about giving ourselves some grace and compassion - I also realistically know, I would likely not be able to stick to everything 100% of the time, and I’d like to be a mother of my word as best I can.
So I think it’s sort of creating those bumpers that everybody can kind of play in that lane.
Kaimana:
I like the bumper idea. Because if we say, well, we’re not going to be on our phone at all that takes us as people who you know, have a job, or there’s coworkers trying to get in touch with us. Like it’s also having to then draw boundaries with them. And that can get really exhausting.
And so you know, we’re managing expectations, people’s rules, all this stuff in the home, but also like we’re connected to folks outside of it. So then it’s I don’t know, that feels like a lot right now. So if I could just start in my home.
So thank you, Liz. Also, I don’t know Liz, if you’re a recovering perfectionist like I am. So the rules are comfortable to me because they’re very clear, you follow them.
A perfectionist loves that, and so many moms can get into that mindset. So if we’re able to give ourselves that windy lane a little bit, and we’re gonna bump and it’s okay, we’re coming right back. And we’re headed in the right direction. But there’s no one perfect path right down the middle. It’s going to zig and zag. And thank you, that’s a such a good metaphor, I’m going to use that, definitely.
Do we raise our children with the values and world we grew up in, or do we adjust?
Elizabeth:
And I love what you just said about how we have the people we’re connected to outside. And it just it kind of sparked this thought of me. And this is also the world that our children live in. And this is the world they’re growing up in. I had this conversation quite often with some of my mom friends on, do we raise our children based on the world that we knew, and the values that were instilled in us? Or do we adjust based on the world they live in.
And I mean, really, our consensus at this point is you have to adjust to the world they’re living in.
So as much as we would like to limit our children’s screen time or take it away completely, I think there also may put them at a disadvantage later on. Because they are living in a completely digitally connected technological world.
And they understand that we live in that world as grownups as well. So it’s kind of making those adjustments, which again, why I love that bumper analogy, because it’s making those adjustments also based on the world that we live in.
Malika:
And we definitely saw that first hand, you know, there are schools like a Waldorf where there is no device use, that’s a rule at the school. And it’s one that you’re expected to also have within your home, then the pandemic hit. And all of a sudden, even those people who, are doing what they thought was best for their children, and it goes with the philosophy of their school, but now they actually have to use it. And so it was really interesting to see how people had to pivot, everyone had to pivot. And with the bumpers, you’re allowed to do the pivots, right?
Elizabeth:
Headed in the right direction.
Kaimana:
To Liz’s point too I mean, I don’t think we’re moving in a direction where devices are going to be a less part of our life. So if we go back to what Dr. Shin said, and modeling that behavior, we’re also giving our kids the tools to be able to not phub other people.
I mean, how many times I’ve tried to get attention from my kids, and they phub me. And then I’m like, “I’m your mom.” And then I’m just like, “Well, I do that to them.” So how can I expect this to go any different.
Trying to be more consistent with the language of the rules. And if I had to use my phone, just set an expectation of time, maybe I need two more minutes to finish this text to someone I work with. And when I’m done, my phone’s going away and trying to be specific with the time, the why, and then after this, you’ll get my full attention or something like that.
Malika’s children, Waipuna and Jackson, share their thoughts about how parental phubbing makes them feel
Malika:
Before we get into how we tackle the strategies, I did want to share with you what my children said. It’s a little embarrassing, but you know, we’re all in this together so I guess I will start with this one. This is my five-year-old. These are not scripted. I asked the kids “How do you feel when mommy and daddy are on their phones?” I’ll put Waipuna first, and then you’ll listen to Jackson. Jackson volunteered the information about how he’ll do things differently when he’s a parent.
WAIPUNA:
It feels bad because I like to play games with you. That’s my favorite thing to do.
When you’re on the phone it feels like I can’t play with you.
JACKSON:
Sometimes we’re playing, but sometimes we want to play with you. We just feel sad, like we’re missing out. You don’t want to play with us. When I’m older, I’ll be on my phone for a limited amount of time, have it when I need it, and when my kids ask for me then I’ll put it down.
Malika:
So yeah, that’s what my kids had to say.
Elizabeth:
You are a brave, brave woman Malika. I would have a hard time I think hearing those answers. And at the same time, I think I’m going to ask them tonight because now I’m genuinely curious and want to hear what they think about it.
Kaimana:
I’m trying not to like… I was like tearing up a little bit, because I mean, they are was watching us. And we just we want to be such good parents, and there are so many different hats, so many different roles, and I so want more boundaries, feeling like those are firm and comforting. And they’re clear, it’s just not the world we live in pandemic or not. And that’s very helpful. You know, I think about how much connection you know, Liz, when you were saying “I’m an extroverted extrovert,” I’m like, “Oh, my gosh, me too.”
And having more tools to be able to do that is so exciting. But trying to figure out how the consequences of all of that, I’m sure the research is showing it’s ever-changing. And just to live it in real-time and and have grace… and I vacillate so much between feeling so good about being connected, and then wanting to be a hermit.
We will never be the perfect parents - just have grace, and try your best
Elizabeth:
What resonates for me is that I feel like, like you said, we’re trying so hard to just kind of be the perfect parents. And ultimately, and we have to accept this, as parents, no matter what we do, we will probably screw our kids up some way, right? I mean, we could be what we’re considering to be the perfect parents and never phub them or give them all the time and attention they want. And they’ll still end up on a therapist couch in 20 years talking about how we ruined their life. I mean, I just I feel like there’s no way around that.
But going back to kind of what you said Malika, earlier about the values, I think maybe from a phubbing perspective, and I will say some of Dr. Shin’s stats were rather daunting. And those especially talking about adolescents have more depressive tendencies when their parents are on their phone all the time, that to me is to prioritize how I want to show up as a parent.
So really putting more energy into avoiding those behaviors that can enhance the depressive symptoms. And the anxiety is more important in the long run. I think if I if I’m trying to weigh out, what are the what are the things I can do? What are the levers I can pull to screw up my kids as least as possible?
Malika:
Well, that’s what’s great about the strategy that she presented, which was shared expectations. It was open-ended, you know, so your shared expectation can be a shared expectation to phub each other. Right? If that’s okay, you know, you talk about it, you’re like, this is the time when we can all be on our devices. And everyone’s alright with it, no one feels slighted. No one feels like… what were some of the things she was saying… like children sometimes have lower self-evaluation, because they’re being phubbed by their parents, and they start to feel less worthy of their attention.
But if you just set that expectation ahead of time, then it totally helps. And that is so comforting to me. So I’ve tried it…. this morning, there was actually a tsunami watch. And I was doing updates around the clock for three hours. And you know, I just had to explain it to my five-year-old. “Hey, honey, I’m so sorry. Mommy can’t play with you right now. But I’m a meteorologist.” I explained what that was, what I had to do, and why I was doing it. I’m trying to keep people safe. And what’s so interesting is I’ve done this before, and every now and then when I pick up my phone Wai will actually say, “Well, Mommy, you’re keeping people safe, yeah?”
Elizabeth:
Oh, well, it’s connecting with her right? She’s understanding your role in the world. And why your phone or the media in front of you is an integral part of that. So that’s, that’s great.
Malika:
I did want to share this with you though, too, as we move into the other strategy of parental modeling, because she also said this after I asked her, “What will you do when you are a parent?”
Why modeling the right behavior is so important
WAIPUNA:
When I’m older I’m going to do the same thing as my mommy and daddy.
Malika:
Profound.
Liz:
Wow. Very telling… also the opposite of what Jackson said. When I think about what Jackson said, with being on the phone, I mean, I’m wondering if there is a group of folks that are our kids age that will grow up and be like, I hated the way that that made me feel, I’m never going to do it. And just genuinely, they won’t do it. I don’t know, what do you guys think?
Will our children be better digital citizens than we are?
Kaimana:
I’m seeing that already. I work at a high school. And I already see high school kids opting out of social media, which I think is different than a device. But there are some parallels between them really actively not trying to build a digital footprint, trying to live a really anonymous digitally low-key life because of a number of reasons. One is being able to better control how they’re presented online and not wanting to do that yet. And a lot of them have a lot of different reasons. It’s a very, very small amount of the kids that I work with that they’re still growing, you know, in adolescence and stuff, but I think you’re onto something. It’s already starting to happen based on the lived experience that we’re in.
And I’m like you, I’m an older millennial. I have been on Facebook since pretty much day one, I went to an East Coast College and was one of the first few 1000 people on it.
I have probably been on it everyday for 15 years. And that is horrifying. But at the same time, it’s done so much good. And I struggle every day to have boundaries around that.
Elizabeth:
But exactly what you’re saying, Kaimana, I think it’s this course correction. Right? You know, the benefit that our children have are the data points that we didn’t have when we joined Facebook or any of these social platforms. So we hear all this stuff about sharing data. And I mean, we hear it now. But that wasn’t even a thing back when we joined it. And so our kids are growing up, and they understand the impact it has on them. And that actually gave me chills to hear you say that some of the high school students are already opting out of social media, even if it is a small percentage, that could be the very beginning of a movement, right? If you think about the bell curve model. I think they’re equipped with, you know, knowledge that we didn’t have growing up.
Malika:
We did not have that knowledge, we are the generation that learned about this as it happened. I mean, we went from the landline phone to the giant cell phone, then we had the tiny little cell phone, we wanted the smallest cell phone you could have, and you’re connected to myspace on your computer. We’ve been going through this without really any checks and balances. We’re just winging it.
And so now as parents, we’re having to come to terms with how we use media, and why, and the impacts that it could have. And we can’t get down on ourselves. Because we didn’t know this stuff. We did not know… 15 years ago, when I was in my master’s program, which studies human communication. We did not study this, even though people were on Myspace and Facebook, it wasn’t yet legitimate. It wasn’t a legitimate area to do that type of research. And now it is because of how society has changed and how much technology has changed. You know, we have to give ourselves that grace too but it’s so great to have those strategies. Why don’t you both tell me some of the tangible strategies that you will be enacting because of hearing this podcast.
What kinds of strategies do we use in our own homes
Elizabeth:
So I will go with a few of mine. So some of what Dr. Shin was saying, the boundaries, the open conversations. So I’ve started in the last couple of months, I’ve started kind of equating if I’m on my phone or sending a text and one of my children walks up to me and tries to have a conversation, to me it’s oddly similar to if I’m having a conversation with one of you in real life, and a child comes up to interrupt you, and you say one moment, let let me finish talking or whatever it is I’m doing and then I’ll pay attention to you. And so I actually do that with my phone.
So if I’m looking at my phone legitimately, if I’m just you know, mindless scrolling, I will – I am saying on record – I am going to make a more conscious effort to put it down. But if I am actually sending a text or in the middle of some sort of communication, I will tell my children “Hold on a second I’m just sending this text,” like you said Kaimana, explaining the why.
“Oh, I’m just sending this text to so and so about XYZ. Give me a minute and then I’ll pay attention to you”, and I think a big part of that is the follow through though because sometimes especially on our device, it’s easy to get distracted and just click on the next thing.
So it’s really staying true to your word and showing up with integrity with your children and so for me personally I’m definitely going to make a really intentional effort to do that after listening to Dr. Shin, and then also just from a personal perspective setting limits on my certain apps that tend to suck me in.
I have I currently have a 15 minute limit on Instagram every day and I hit it every day – that goes real quick and then I will sometimes add time to it but it makes it easier to then just put my phone down when I need to be present with my kids during dinner those really key hours I think from after school until bedtime, which are the witching hours the most difficult time to fill. But that is I think also the most important right… and that is really the most kind of beneficial family time you have. So those are some of the tactics I will be employing after listening to Dr. Shin.
Malika:
What about you Kaimana?
Kaimana:
I’ve been struggling, or on this journey, or headed, I’ve been the ball headed down the lane bumping up and down for a while.
I tried to moderate my device use by time control apps and things like that. And I am not a moderator I have learned I’m kind of an “all or nothing” type of person. So I’ve deleted all social media off of my phone, which means I’m not on Instagram.
I haven’t deleted it but I’m just not on it because I did the 15 minutes and I would always add time and then it would be… I remember specifically there was a day in April. My phone gave me how much… and I was on my phone for eight hours. And for me, it was just I could feel it physically. And I really feel for the people whose jobs like really require them to be on their phones, my job is not that job. So now it has cut down on my desire to be on my phone.
And so like Liz trying to be, I will be better at communicating what I’m doing. Because I also think if I’m not willing to share with my kids, what I’m doing on my phone, if this isn’t a conversation, I don’t have to tell them exactly what it is, but having conversations and relating with people through my phone is people I’m relating with.
So if I’m not willing to bring my kids into that world, I really should check on why I’m even doing that. So whether it’s who it is what I’m doing, and then if appropriate, maybe inviting them in to what I’m doing.
So I’ve been working really hard on our family budget. And so I’ll spend time really nerding out on that. And so when the kids come in, I say, “Well, why don’t you come and look”, so they start to understand because like you, Liz, my kids are seven and nine. So they’re kind of old enough to start to understand, but it’s still pretty abstract. So really showing them you know, this is this section, and this is how much we spend and being like okay with that discussion, and it’s worked in the past, because if they want to, like go out to eat, and I’m like, “well, let’s look at our budget” or they’re like “what’s on the budget” and can actually see it, it feels good to invite them into that part of my life because our devices are our life. So maybe we can, I can, I’m kind of talking through it as I’m saying it, but inviting them in, setting boundaries.
I also think it’s important to make our kids wait, they’re so used to just instant, instant, instant.
So I love what Liz said not just automatically going to give them the attention but making the boundaries and I want them to know that I will also honor that when they’re on a device and they say “hold on Mommy, I’m at this part of my game… “how much more time do you need? I need one more minute. Okay, you’re gonna have one more minute to finish that and then we’re gonna go take a bath”.
Malika:
So much there. Kaimana, Oh my gosh, okay, I had never even thought about respecting my child enough to let them also give me a “I’m in this level of Minecraft, I need 30 seconds to finish it”. And so I love that because it wasn’t even it wasn’t on my radar. So I love that. Now that’s on my radar. The last thing I wanted to mention is we’re talking about open conversations, and these shared expectations that we’re going to work on with our children. And where it clicked for me is – that IS parental modeling.
So we’ve got these two strategies. But by doing that, by having this open communication by bringing the children in to the conversation of doing the budget with you, or this is how mommy plans an event, or this is how mommy keeps people safe, that we are modeling that behavior for them that gets imprinted in their brains, in their minds.
Elizabeth:
Can I share one final fun tip, if all else fails is… I don’t know if this is if you guys knew this, but you can actually turn your phone black and white. So I read this about five years ago, I was completing my graduate degree as well, like you, I was getting an MBA and I struggled with my phone as a distraction from my studies. And I had heard that there is a setting but you can go in and change your phone from the color to black and white. And it it genuinely limits that kind of pull to always be checking it for whatever reason, the black and white is not as interesting as the color. If you’re really struggling to do that, turn your phone black and white for a few days. And I mean, Instagram is just not as vivid in black and white. Right?
Malika:
That’s a cool tip. Well, I’ll put that in the show notes. So I’ll make sure to find that link. And I’ll put it in the show notes for all of you listening. Gosh, thank you so much for this conversation. It was so nice to just have some girl chat and get real and get deep. And you know, I feel that this was helpful for me. So I really hope that the listeners also feel the same way. Thank you so much.
Kaimana and Elizabeth:
Thank you Malika. Thank you.
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Ep.5 - “Mom, Dad! Get off your phone!” How we’re (actually) dealing with digital distractions
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